Do you need internal hdd or is NAS ok?

[bieshose]

Hi, nice forum, thank you, ik read the sticky's first. But have a simple question: I would like to use a nas to prevent a lot of noice in my room, (i put it somewhere else), but can I still use the NZB usenet functionality on the popcorn or do I need an internal hdd to use those popcorn apps?

--> can I also use solid state if I need an internal to prevent noice?

Thank you very much!

[chris57]

Look at this for the cheapest no noise solution:-
http://www.networkedmediatank.com/showth...p?tid=9809

You can set the location of the download from nzbget to your NAS rather than the internal HDD solution, edit nzbget.conf with a UNIX editor with the location of the share.

[Mike06]

yes and yes.

I have 5TB Lacie 5big running with PCH, only thing bad about 5big it is it does not have NFS only the micros**t SMB. It does support http and ftp. (I will have switch to ftp, mounting smb is too damn slow when you change sources in PCH)

I switched to SSD drives in my server PC (with water cooling and external fanless 0db power supply) and it is now almost 0db.

SSD is "normal" hard drive as far as the computer or any machine you connect it to is conserned.

Do keep in mind that the problem with any Flash-type memory (SSD, usb memory, CF, MMC, SD) is that they have very limited lifetime compared to traditional harddrive. In Flash memory the you can rewrite every bit only about 100000-1000000 times then it dies. It is like dead pixel on your LCD screen. If you keep writing same location over and over again it dies very fast. If you have some p2p or some other downloader running that might (re)write more 1000 times a minute, if it wrote into the same location in the memory, the memory location would be dead in a month. People have killed their USB memory cards with p2p in less than 2 weeks. Reading flash memory does not harm it, only write. Flash memory is ideal for putting the operating system files and other static content like audio or video files. (for example if you change your mp3 player content once a day, It dies after 100000 days = it does not matter). Back to SSD. What makes SSD better than CF or any other flash memory based storage solution is that SSD has more advanced locig in it. First it spreads the load evenly over all the bits: if you rewrite same file over and over again, like p2p client does, SSD keeps changing which bits store the file so all the bits are worn more evenly and you do not "burn a hole" into one location, It tracks how many times each bit is written and evens the load. Another SSD advance is better error checking and correction, if one bit dies drive marks it as dead and never uses it again, so the overall disk stays usable longer. It strinks little by little, but does not fail totally. Other memories have similar systems but SSD has the most advanced ones, CF is the second best. And SSD is 100 times faster (in search times) than normal harddrive.

So do not use flash memory for p2p, other than that it is ideal for PCH. (you can run p2p server/client using flash memory, as long as you keep the temp and log files on some other disk). And keep in mind even SSD only has about 1/10 of the lifetime of normal harddrive (unless you minimize the writes on in) and be prepared to replace it 10 more ofter than normal harddrive.

P.S. The subject is a bit more complex than this but I tried to keep it simple. The SSD technology keeps improving all the time, so the lifetimes I mentioned might be old news and 2000$ IBM SSD does beat the 50$ cheap-o-brand SSD drive in reliability. Wiki SSD for more (accurate) info.

P.P.S. Lacie 5big is VERY quiet, I really didn't believe you could make nas that quiet (still you would want it to your bed room, or even the next room if the door is open). And it has remote power on/off,

[bieshose]

Thank you very much, this will be helpfull for a lot of people.

The popcorn is in my living room, do you think an internal SATA samsung 1 TB drive will make to much noice will playing a hd movie? I will start the nzb an nights then, that saves noice too I think...

[pchuser122]

I have a 750 GB Samsung F1 in my NMT and you can hear it. The noise is not irritating but in silent scenes of a movie when there is no background music and noone is talking you can hear the drive spinning. You will have to decide for yourself if that is too loud... can you put some SATA drive in it to test the noise?

Best choice for you is a 2,5 " notebook HDD. They are VERY silent, have a low power consumption and they do not generate much heat. At last they are small so there is more room around them in the NMT to "cool off".

[bieshose]

(01-22-2009 09:36 PM)pchuser122 Wrote:  I have a 750 GB Samsung F1 in my NMT and you can hear it. The noise is not irritating but in silent scenes of a movie when there is no background music and noone is talking you can hear the drive spinning. You will have to decide for yourself if that is too loud... can you put some SATA drive in it to test the noise?

Best choice for you is a 2,5 " notebook HDD. They are VERY silent, have a low power consumption and they do not generate much heat. At last they are small so there is more room around them in the NMT to "cool off".

Thank you, I just posted in another thread that I just bought a Samsung ca40 hc 10 spinpoint F1 1Tb drive, but my samsung does not recognize it.... indeed there is not so much noice, but, I don't think he tries to write something yet...