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Is Google TV going to steal the NMT show?
05-24-2010, 09:10 AM
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Bell Is Google TV going to steal the NMT show?
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Logitech Google TV Box seems like all the checklist I did jump on the NMT bandwagon for first place fulfilled.

I do understand there is Application Store, so there will be SDK and user generated apps. Will miss the NMT community, though. But if the box offers full chrome browser, search and seamless integration of various sources (TV, Internets, local files) into one jukebox, then it sounds to me like funeral bells for Syabas. Sad

Lets hope guys at Syabas can figure out a new niché in the changing ecosystem, that offers something extra to the Google box.

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05-24-2010, 09:18 AM (This post was last modified: 05-24-2010 09:19 AM by accident.)
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RE: Is Google TV going to steal the NMT show?
the sdk is already out there.. its android based.. however there is no timeline on when they will allow user generated content to appear on the unit...
Although you also need to consider the other major force in tvs thats coming: http://www.openscreenproject.org/ and they are paying people to make stuff for this setup Smile
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05-24-2010, 09:27 AM (This post was last modified: 05-24-2010 09:37 AM by spawn.)
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RE: Is Google TV going to steal the NMT show?
I dont see how this would steel the NMT show

I dont see any mentioning of seamless integration with local files and support for all the different types of local video files that I use my NMT for.
Will it play my BD.iso's, my AVCHD, my .mkv's etc. from my local server ? Will it support HD audio bitstreaming, various subtitle configurations etc. etc.

I may be mistaken, but to me it looks like any other Google app focusing mainly on web content (Youtube, Picassa web albums etc.) which is exactly the thing I never use my NMT for anyways - I never cared one second for Youtube, webtv or any other kind of internet delivered content. I dont have my pictures stored in Picassa web albums or any other online picture service, neither my music.

I use my NMT only for playback of local files - and while I do understand that some people are hot for all the web services I do believe that most NMT users mainly got their NMT's for playback of local files like me.

Certainly though, if it does offer all the same functionality in regards to local playback as an NMT, then it will be a contender to the NMT's
- if not I only see it as a complementary sollution that can deliver the webcontent which the NMT's dont do.

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05-24-2010, 09:28 AM (This post was last modified: 05-24-2010 09:29 AM by halfelite.)
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RE: Is Google TV going to steal the NMT show?
in the long run maybe, but not as of right now, I think set top box's are coming to an end, once tv's start coming with android pre installed then its a whole new ball game.
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05-24-2010, 09:32 AM
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RE: Is Google TV going to steal the NMT show?
It will be running Android to boot and you can use an Android or iPhone as your remote.
This looks pretty cool. Check this vid out on Engadget!
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/20/logit...e-apps-we/

"The unit itself is based on Intel's CE4100 "Sodaville" Atom processor, with this particular chip operating at 1.2GHz, and the board features 4GB of memory and 802.11n WiFi. In addition to the aforementioned twin USB sockets, the rear I/O panel features wired LAN jack and two IR headers for additional connectivity (the former presumably affording the system direct IP control over DVRs) and has a pair of HDMI 1.3 ports that handle all visual content, with Dolby 5.1 surround sound transferred via either HDMI or S/PDIF out. If your home entertainment setup is entirely wired with HDMI, you'll find the unit allows full digital passthrough; if your sources use any other kind of jack (component, composite, etcetera) you may need a receiver of some sort"

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05-24-2010, 09:33 AM
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RE: Is Google TV going to steal the NMT show?
If you look at other news, google has a completely new codec for streaming media.. I can pretty much guess that will be the only thing they support.. maybe h264 also.
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05-24-2010, 09:37 AM
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RE: Is Google TV going to steal the NMT show?
Looks very similar to the Popbox. Same content providers and flash based UI.

Popbox should play more file types and codecs, but both will be locked down tight.

The NMT is like Spawn says for the serious AV user who wants to play the best quality content out there, not some low bitrate stuff and have to pay for the privilege.

Pretty soon all of the low bitrate stuff will be in the TV like halfelite says. You'll still need a purpose built player for your BD and more obscure codecs, think of those poor anime watchers with all of the combinations used in it for a start.

The more competition the better. But this is Popbox competition not NMT competition.

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05-24-2010, 09:40 AM (This post was last modified: 05-24-2010 09:51 AM by hazmat.)
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RE: Is Google TV going to steal the NMT show?
Here's a bunch of pics of the actual unit. I'll be interested to see what codecs it'll support.

http://www.engadget.com/photos/logitechs...n/#3001278
(05-24-2010 09:18 AM)accident Wrote:  Although you also need to consider the other major force in tvs thats coming: http://www.openscreenproject.org/ and they are paying people to make stuff for this setup Smile

Hilarious!...especially when you see Adobe & Apple have been having an all out pissing match with each other. I love my A-110, but it has been a right pain in the ass having to learn all the ins and outs, troubleshooting, having my NIC fry out after 1 year. I won't shoot this down saying anything "Naysayer" like until I see all the specs and what it can fully do. When you have Google/Adobe/Logitech all working together on a set top box, I think it's got a chance of being pretty good...we'll see though.

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05-24-2010, 10:03 AM
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RE: Is Google TV going to steal the NMT show?
Quote:having my NIC fry out after 1 year. I won't shoot this down saying anything "Naysayer" like until I see all the specs and what it can fully do. When you have Google/Adobe/Logitech all working together on a set top box, I think it's got a chance of being pretty good

I dont see how having Google/Adobe/Logitech or whomever supplying the content platform would have any influence on when a hardware nic fries Wink
The Logitech box would be just as prone to hardware issues as any other hardware. And the Atom based sollution itself will not be able to play any 1080p content if its not backed by some hardware accelerator chip. Nothing I have seen mentioned in this thread so far changes my initial thought of this "only" being some kind of web unit which may be a nice toy by itself (I love my android phone) but wont replace my NMT in any way.

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05-24-2010, 10:18 AM
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RE: Is Google TV going to steal the NMT show?
I store all my content on my internal drive, so I didn't really use the NIC very often. But sheesh...I expected it to last longer than that given the limited use.Undecided

Here's another detailed article on Engadget that gives you a bunch of info - http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/21/googl...d-to-know/

"This is the baseline hardware spec"

Hardware

Google's laid out a series of baseline hardware specifications for the Google TV platform, which every piece of gear will share. The heart of the system is the Intel Atom CE4100, which launched at IDF last year. It's an Atom-based SoC with some additional silicon for decoding dual 1080p video stream, MPEG-4 support, and 3D graphics capabilities. That's joined by some custom DSPs, and things like WiFi, HDMI, and Bluetooth are all required.

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05-24-2010, 10:25 AM (This post was last modified: 05-24-2010 10:37 AM by gtdaqua.)
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RE: Is Google TV going to steal the NMT show?
If the Google TV Box supports:
  • HD Audio passthrough in MKV, TS/M2TS
  • Ability to Play ISO (whatever format)
  • Supports 3rd part Apps/Plugins (Transmission, YAMJ etc)
  • Of course, being very fast
  • Supports all codecs that currently NMT supports (x264 etc)


Then, yes, the box would look promising.

But a disappointing fact:

Quote:Update 3: Logitech just informed us that Vid will actually run at a resolution of 720p.
This supposedly applies only for Video Chat.

Source: http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/20/logit...e-apps-we/

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05-24-2010, 10:32 AM (This post was last modified: 05-24-2010 10:49 AM by akaM.)
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RE: Is Google TV going to steal the NMT show?
(05-24-2010 10:25 AM)gtdaqua Wrote:  But a disappointing fact:

Source: http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/20/logit...e-apps-we/

Quote: Situated directly between your receiver and TV, Logitech's tiny box allows complete passthrough of HDMI audio and video from your source, allowing simultaneous web surfing and video playback, and will optionally connect to an HD webcam for Logitech Vid 720p video chat.

sry, you fixed it already yourself

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05-24-2010, 10:57 AM
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RE: Is Google TV going to steal the NMT show?
(05-24-2010 09:37 AM)chris57 Wrote:  The NMT is like Spawn says for the serious AV user who wants to play the best quality content out there, not some low bitrate stuff and have to pay for the privilege.

Perhaps my idea of a serious AV user differs, I mean a serious AV user would not use an NMT.
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05-24-2010, 11:05 AM
Post: #14
RE: Is Google TV going to steal the NMT show?
It's ok if you are in the USA. Initially Google TV won't be available outside of the USA.

For everyone else, there will be years of wrangling to get the content authorised for that particular market place. Take a look at the fragmented online video market place now, there's no universal place to get any video you want (except maybe YouTube ;-))

For those of us outside the USA, I think we'll still be looking at locally stored video for some time.

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05-24-2010, 12:26 PM (This post was last modified: 05-24-2010 12:48 PM by Specter.)
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RE: Is Google TV going to steal the NMT show?
Another big yawn!

Once again something new gets announced and the media goes nuts hyping it. Buying a new TV with it built in? not in this day and age, with so many TV technology Plasma, LCD, LED, OLED do we really need to worry does this comes with Google TV?

Then comes codec support...what can this thing do that i cannot already do with bittorrent configured with good RSS feed auto download from EZTV? nothing, i rather my shown download and wait for me to watch rather that stream from the internet. streaming from the internet is only great when the connection is great, but from what i see most streaming sites have crappy servers that quickly download about the first 5% of the video quickly then slows to a crawl to download the other 95% .

Then comes forced commercials, youtube is the main culprit here, sure there are work arounds like when the commercials come up you just refresh the browser and your content will play but now they are embedded it infront of the video so no even if you refresh it it will still play the commercial.

Its funny how Google TV comes out the Boxebox seems so last year now. By E3 in June something else will come out and Google TV will seem last year.

Remember the HP Media Smart Connect? Yea, big hype, got released, no one brought it, now its canceled.

If the price is right then the unsuspecting customer will buy it just because they do not know any better, a technology aware person will never fall for something like this when they have other means to get their content.

From personal experience i cannot remember the last time i watched an actual live TV program, which reminds me, Lost just finished, time to watch the final season now, 720p, commercial free, and at my own convince Big Grin.


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