ISP throttling or network busy?

[fbv2]

Hi all,

yesterday I signed up for a giganews account to start using nzbget. I got the 10gb free trial, and signed up for a 25gb gold account. Well, my speed first topped up to 1000kb/s yesterday morning, and by mid day I was notified my free trial 10gb limit had expired and I was now using my 25Gb gold account. At this point I noticed my speed had dropped but was holding steady at 500kb/s

This morning at about 5am I was notified that I had reached my 25GB gold account limit, and I could either be re-billed for another month starting today, or increase my account to platinum with unlimited limit. It didn't take much to figure out I would need a less restrictive account, especially since giganews was projecting at the current rate of 25gb in less than 1 day, I would get almost 1TB in a month if I continue at the current rate.

Well now I am looking at my speed, and the nzbget webui is telling me my speed hovers between 130kb/s and 150kb/s.... most times (9/10 times) that I see the page refresh it say 148kb/s... almost artificially close to 150kb/s.

I'm seriously wondering about this speed drop, and the fact that it is so close to 150kb/s, that I think my ISP might be throttling my connection to the giganews.com server. Would any of you think so? Or is this just a slowdown on the giganews.com side? How would I check?

I use Time Warner Cable in New York. Does anyone have any experience with them? If you had to suggest what to do, what would you suggest?

[Jonxy]

(10-02-2008 03:53 PM)fbv2 Wrote:  Hi all,

yesterday I signed up for a giganews account to start using nzbget. I got the 10gb free trial, and signed up for a 25gb gold account. Well, my speed first topped up to 1000kb/s yesterday morning, and by mid day I was notified my free trial 10gb limit had expired and I was now using my 25Gb gold account. At this point I noticed my speed had dropped but was holding steady at 500kb/s

This morning at about 5am I was notified that I had reached my 25GB gold account limit, and I could either be re-billed for another month starting today, or increase my account to platinum with unlimited limit. It didn't take much to figure out I would need a less restrictive account, especially since giganews was projecting at the current rate of 25gb in less than 1 day, I would get almost 1TB in a month if I continue at the current rate.

Well now I am looking at my speed, and the nzbget webui is telling me my speed hovers between 130kb/s and 150kb/s.... most times (9/10 times) that I see the page refresh it say 148kb/s... almost artificially close to 150kb/s.

I'm seriously wondering about this speed drop, and the fact that it is so close to 150kb/s, that I think my ISP might be throttling my connection to the giganews.com server. Would any of you think so? Or is this just a slowdown on the giganews.com side? How would I check?

I use Time Warner Cable in New York. Does anyone have any experience with them? If you had to suggest what to do, what would you suggest?

i dont believe giganews is the issue, have you looked at using the SSL feature of giganews? it may help your from being throttled, but i am not sure as i dont know the implementation that your isp is using to packet shape.

i did a bit of googling and found this:

"Packet shaping" technology has been implemented for newsgroup applications, regardless of the provider, and all peer-to-peer networks and certain other high bandwidth applications not necessarily limited to audio, video, and voice over IP telephony. Road Runner reserves the right to implement network management tools for other applications in the future.

[Sassan]

(10-02-2008 04:22 PM)Jonxy Wrote:  

(10-02-2008 03:53 PM)fbv2 Wrote:  Hi all,

yesterday I signed up for a giganews account to start using nzbget. I got the 10gb free trial, and signed up for a 25gb gold account. Well, my speed first topped up to 1000kb/s yesterday morning, and by mid day I was notified my free trial 10gb limit had expired and I was now using my 25Gb gold account. At this point I noticed my speed had dropped but was holding steady at 500kb/s

This morning at about 5am I was notified that I had reached my 25GB gold account limit, and I could either be re-billed for another month starting today, or increase my account to platinum with unlimited limit. It didn't take much to figure out I would need a less restrictive account, especially since giganews was projecting at the current rate of 25gb in less than 1 day, I would get almost 1TB in a month if I continue at the current rate.

Well now I am looking at my speed, and the nzbget webui is telling me my speed hovers between 130kb/s and 150kb/s.... most times (9/10 times) that I see the page refresh it say 148kb/s... almost artificially close to 150kb/s.

I'm seriously wondering about this speed drop, and the fact that it is so close to 150kb/s, that I think my ISP might be throttling my connection to the giganews.com server. Would any of you think so? Or is this just a slowdown on the giganews.com side? How would I check?

I use Time Warner Cable in New York. Does anyone have any experience with them? If you had to suggest what to do, what would you suggest?

i dont believe giganews is the issue, have you looked at using the SSL feature of giganews? it may help your from being throttled, but i am not sure as i dont know the implementation that your isp is using to packet shape.

i did a bit of googling and found this:

"Packet shaping" technology has been implemented for newsgroup applications, regardless of the provider, and all peer-to-peer networks and certain other high bandwidth applications not necessarily limited to audio, video, and voice over IP telephony. Road Runner reserves the right to implement network management tools for other applications in the future.

I have similar issues,
during some times of the day if the network is busy I get bad speeds, for instance if it's weekend or a holiday. Some other times during the day I get bad speeds and at 1 AM I get max speeds of 1.7 mb's if not 1mb's or an average of 900kb's. Try their giganews accelerator or try to use different ports instead of 119, the only other option is 23.

Good luck

[fbv2]

I don't think using SSL will help avoid packet shaping or throttling. SSL encrypts the data so that others can't see what you're downloading, but you still connect to the same server on the same port, so the ISP can easily control your download speed. Even if I changed ports to something other than 119, the ISP would see most of the traffic between news.giganews.com and me.

On the other hand, throttling P2P networks is harder since you are downloading from a variety of sources, they can't throttle any one particular IP address. They can however throttle a port that is common for P2P systems to use. That is why it is recommended to change the default port in programs like uTorrent. The downside is that most people don't like uploading, and limit their upload speeds so that unless there is a large swarm, you really have to wait for your downloads to complete.

I googled for ISP throttling, and I found a lot of articles. It seems inevitable that with todays high-bandwidth applications running (youtube/hulu/google video, skype video calls, P2P file sharing, newsgroup alt.bin downloading, private FTPs running a server, internet radio, etc) that ISPs are forced to shape network flow. Mostly this happens during peak times (8am-5pm for businesses peak times, 4pm to 10pm for home users peak times), but it other cases they throttle the speed 24/7.

In some cases it seems that 5% of the customers use over 50% of the bandwidth; which makes sense since most people only chat online, browse web pages, and check email. If my service was suffering because of some power-user who was sucking up all the bandwidth, I would probably be in favor of throttling. But since I'm on the opposite side here, paying an extra premium of $25 a month for unlimited downloading because my ISP dropped its news server, I'm griping that the ISP is limiting me to 150Kb/s. It's not really fair that they advertise blazing speeds via roadrunner and then limit your speed.

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[fetus]

I have Time Warner here in Brooklyn - I've been backing up my photos remotely and was uploading at about 500kbps for a day and a half. Now, my upload speed is around 55kbps. Latency is really high (about 1.5 sec to ping Google). However, my download speed it still around the normal 3mbit so it is clear that my upload speed has been throttled. Very frustrating.

Modem, router, computer restarts make no difference - it's clearly TWC.